Rachel went through a lot to get the where she finally had Joseph. Seeing all of the others bear Jacob children, dozens of years most likely, she being barren. I find it mildly humorous that 30:24 says …she called his name Joseph, and said, the LORD shall add to me another son. We so often chide our kids, some more than others, for ‘getting’ something they want, something they enjoyed and were Looking forward to, then immediately asking about the next thing they want or need. Of course in our hypocrisy we accuse them of being ungrateful, but Cathy and I do the same sometimes. Maybe Rachel wasn’t like that, I don’t know, I am assuming from the adjacent statements, but that is a problem with many Americans we are never satisfied, even after a big win. I wonder if we ever fixed our house, and it was mold free, would I sit down and thank God and just revel in His goodness or would I just move on to the next want ?
Brother, you've got more energy and drive than me, that's for sure! When I cross things off the list - big or small - I count it a victory and look for someone to rejoice with me, lol. (usually that rejoicing involves snacks or coffee!) The sisters' different thoughts/feelings on the growing family (and drama?) seem to be reflected in their kids' names. I tell you what, whether it was kids of one kind or another, Chaper 30 seems to have a theme of the Most High blessing all that Jacob was taking care of, and both this little flock and that one, too, getting bigger and bigger. The thing to remember, though, is what you grow you've got to maintain, or things can go sideways in a hurry, right? - jeffrey
Part of our family discussion tonight was about "why did Rachel take the idols?" No certain answer there, whether her intentions were good or bad, but (just like all of us) she had to answer for the fact that she stole and lied.
...and then, while arguing in anger with his father-in-law, Jacob pronounced a judgement/curse on the guilty thief (not knowing it was his beloved wife)...another example of how we should be careful with our words. ...and also a reminder that even the Patriarchs, the Fathers of the Faith (and everyone in between them and us) were men, just like us. They had their family issues, both with in-laws, spouses, and their kids. Sometimes they did it right, other times they really blew it. And yet, we still know them as the faithful ones, the family of God. That's a hopeful reality for guys like me. - jeffrey
Nothing was ever mentioned about these idols after this occurrence? It seems that other times ?Achan there were direct consequences and those that stole were found out but with Rachel it is just left hanging out there. Does that have any particular meaning? Everything in the Bible is true , intentional and meaningful. So what happened to the idols and what were the consequences?
Yeah, right? We tell our kids all the time, there's always forgiveness available, but sometimes we still have to deal with the fallout, the consequences of what we've done. We can move on, and hopefully when these conflicts arise in life, we can move on with those we were in conflict with...but sometimes things will never be the same. Sadly, there are some things in this world that "sorry" won't fix. Thank God that he still deals with and redeems the bad guys, because we all might fall into that group more often than we'd like to admit. - jeffrey
Rachel went through a lot to get the where she finally had Joseph. Seeing all of the others bear Jacob children, dozens of years most likely, she being barren. I find it mildly humorous that 30:24 says …she called his name Joseph, and said, the LORD shall add to me another son. We so often chide our kids, some more than others, for ‘getting’ something they want, something they enjoyed and were
ReplyDeleteLooking forward to, then immediately asking about the next thing they want or need. Of course in our hypocrisy we accuse them of being ungrateful, but Cathy and I do the same sometimes. Maybe Rachel wasn’t like that, I don’t know, I am assuming from the adjacent statements, but that is a problem with many Americans we are never satisfied, even after a big win. I wonder if we ever fixed our house, and it was mold free, would I sit down and thank God and just revel in His goodness or would I just move on to the next want ?
Brother, you've got more energy and drive than me, that's for sure! When I cross things off the list - big or small - I count it a victory and look for someone to rejoice with me, lol. (usually that rejoicing involves snacks or coffee!) The sisters' different thoughts/feelings on the growing family (and drama?) seem to be reflected in their kids' names.
DeleteI tell you what, whether it was kids of one kind or another, Chaper 30 seems to have a theme of the Most High blessing all that Jacob was taking care of, and both this little flock and that one, too, getting bigger and bigger. The thing to remember, though, is what you grow you've got to maintain, or things can go sideways in a hurry, right?
- jeffrey
Amen x2
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DeletePart of our family discussion tonight was about "why did Rachel take the idols?" No certain answer there, whether her intentions were good or bad, but (just like all of us) she had to answer for the fact that she stole and lied.
ReplyDelete...and then, while arguing in anger with his father-in-law, Jacob pronounced a judgement/curse on the guilty thief (not knowing it was his beloved wife)...another example of how we should be careful with our words.
Delete...and also a reminder that even the Patriarchs, the Fathers of the Faith (and everyone in between them and us) were men, just like us. They had their family issues, both with in-laws, spouses, and their kids. Sometimes they did it right, other times they really blew it. And yet, we still know them as the faithful ones, the family of God. That's a hopeful reality for guys like me.
- jeffrey
Nothing was ever mentioned about these idols after this occurrence? It seems that other times ?Achan there were direct consequences and those that stole were found out but with Rachel it is just left hanging out there. Does that have any particular meaning? Everything in the Bible is true , intentional and meaningful. So what happened to the idols and what were the consequences?
Delete...looks like those idols come up again (briefly) in Chapter 35
Delete- jeffrey
...they reacted and jumped to conclusions. Thank goodness we don't do that.
ReplyDelete-Daniel again
Yeah, right? We tell our kids all the time, there's always forgiveness available, but sometimes we still have to deal with the fallout, the consequences of what we've done.
DeleteWe can move on, and hopefully when these conflicts arise in life, we can move on with those we were in conflict with...but sometimes things will never be the same. Sadly, there are some things in this world that "sorry" won't fix.
Thank God that he still deals with and redeems the bad guys, because we all might fall into that group more often than we'd like to admit.
- jeffrey